7th CPC Revision of pension of pre 2016 pensioners: Meeting Minutes
No.38/37/2016-P&PW(A)
Government of India
Ministry of Personnel, P.G. and Pensions
Department of Pension & Pensioner’s Welfare
3rd Floor, Lok Nayak Bhavan
New Delhi, dated the 10th October 2016
OFFICE MEMORANDUM
Subject: Minutes of the sixth meeting of the Committee set up to examine feasibility of implementation of recommendation of the 7th CPC for revision of pension of pre 2016 pensioners held on 06.10.2016 – reg.
The Minutes of the sixth meeting of the Committee set up to examine feasibility of implementation of recommendation of the 7th CPC for revision of pension of pre 2016 pensioners held under the Chairmanship of Secretary (Pension) with JCM (Staff Side) on 6.10.2016 at Sardar Patel Bhawan, New Delhi is hereby forwarded for information and further necessary action.
Sd/-
(Harjit Singh)
Director (Pension Policy)
Minutes of the meeting of the Committee set up to examine feasibility of implementation of recommendation of Seventh CPC for revision of pension of Pre-2016 pensioners held on 6.10.2016 at Sardar Patel Bhawan, New Delhi.
The 6th Meeting of the committee for examination of feasibility of implementation of recommendations of Seventh Central Pay Commission for revision of pension of pre-2016 pensioners was held under the Chairmanship of Shri C, Viswanath, Secretary (Pension) on 6.10.2016 at Sardar Patel Bhawan, New Delhi This meeting was called for seeking the views of the Staff side of JCM on the feasibility of implementation of the first option for revision of pension of pre 2016 pensioners recommended by the Seventh Central Pay Commission.
2. The following were present from official side:
1.Sh. Ashok Kumar Dash, Member (Personnel), Department of Posts.
2.Ms. Santosh, Joint Secretary, Department of Ex-Servicemen Welfare,
3.Sh. Rozy Agarwal, Joint CGDA, Ministry of Defence,
4.Sh. R. K. Chaturvedi, Joint Secretary, Implementation Cell, Department of Expenditure,
5.Sh. Sanjay Singh, Chief Controller (Pension), CPAO (representing Controller General of Accounts).
6.Sh. Tanveer Ahmed, Executive Director, Railway Board (representing Member (Staff)).
3.The following were present from JCM ( staff side):
1.Shri Shiv Gopal Mishra, Secretary, JCM.
2.Shri Guman Singh, Member
3.Shri J. R. Bhosale, Member
4.Shri K.K.N, Kutty, Member
5.Shri C.Srikurnar. Member
6.Shri R.D. Gupta, Member
4. Welcoming Members of the Committee and the representatives of JCM (Staff Side), Secretary (Pension) requested Additional Secretary (Pension) to make a presentation.
5. In her presentation, Add! Secretary (Pension) brought out the position regarding the requirement of records and the factors which may affect the feasibility of arriving at the notional pay in Seventh CPC by counting increments in the last scale of pay as recommended by the Pay . Commission. She also mentioned about the anomalies that are likely to arise in the process. The presentation brought out the methodology adopted by the Committee to examine the feasibility of the first option and the finding of the Committee in this regard. She mentioned that the service records for increment method may not be available in around 18.3% of the cases. The difficulties in extracting the information from the records and determining the exact number of the increments for revision of pension under first option were explained. She indicated that the Committee has found that the alternative method of arriving at notional pay in Seventh CPC by applying formula for pay revision for serving employees in each Pay Commission and giving 50% of this as pension to be beneficial to all pensioners in comparison to the fitment method.
6. Thereafter, Secretary (Pension) requested the Members of the JCM (Staff Side) for their views on the feasibility of the first option.
7. The representative of the JCM (Staff side) mentioned that in their representation to the Seventh Commission, they had suggested revision of pension of pre-2006 pensioners by notional Pay Fixation in each successive pay Commission period. However, the Pay Commission recommended the revision of pension by fixing the notional pay on the basis of increments earned in the last post
8. The JCM (Staff side) mentioned that the Cabinet has approved revision of pension by the first option (increment method), if its implementation is found feasible after examination by the Committee. They mentioned that in addition to the Service Book/ Personal File, the details of increments earned can be ascertained from the Gradation/Seniority List issued by the Departments from time to time. Therefore, one cannot say that the first option recommended by the Pay Commission is not feasible on the grounds of non-availability of records. In regard to the perceived anomalies, the Staff side stated that anomalies arose in implementation of the recommendations of all previous Pay Commissions. Such anomalies can always be rectified through the mechanism of Anomaly Committee.
9, On the alternate method of revision of pension by notional pay . fixation in each Pay Commission, the Staff side felt that the pensioners who are likely to get higher benefit by increments method may not accept revision ‘of pension by pay fixation method. This may, therefore, lead to litigation.
10. After detailed discussion, the staff side sought time to consider the alternate method of fixation of notional pay in each intervening Pay Commission for revision of pension as on 1.1.2016 before submitting their final views in this regard. It was, accordingly, decided to have another meeting with the JCM (Staff side) on 17.10.2016 at 10.00 A.M.
11. The meeting ended with a vote of thanks to the chair.
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Appireddy.guntur says
In continuation of my above views, there is one more important issue requiring clarification. It is with regard to grade pay applicable in cases where there was upgradation of pay scales/posts subsequent to retirement. In implementation of 6 th cpc recommendations, this issue became very contentious and several pensioners had to approach CATs,High Courts and in some cases even to Supreme Court. Though ultimately ruled in favour of the pensioners, no orders have been issued applying the decision to all applicable cases. The same issue may arise with regard to grade pay if pension is to be fixed based on first and second options. It is necessary that this issue gets clarifed based on the tribunL/court decisions to obviate future litigation. B.Appi Reddy,Guntur
Appireddy.guntur says
First option is most beneficial to pensioners who retired after serving long periods withoutgetting promotion. As stated above even as per the government, only in about 18% cases there will be problem in getting information. It is most unreasonable to deny first option in respect of the remaning 82% if it is beneficial to them. The payment of pension at 2.57 is only interim arrangement suggested by the 7th cpc and its main recommendation is parity with those retiring after 1-1-2016. In the circumstances , the only alternative acceptable method is to allow three options, first option as per 7th cpc, second option as suggested by the committee and the third,a residuary one , multification of basic pension with 2.57 and leave the option to the pensioner. He can also be asked to produce material available with him in support of his option. B.Appi Reddy, Guntur.
LALIT KRISHNA says
SR officers may not have been affected by the anamolies created by 6th pay commission and as such they have created a point of feasibility .Otherwise when all the old pensioners are getting their pensions per the orders of their respected pal .New pension can also be fixed by pal. Only in those case where the posts have either been abolished or renamed there may be some anomoly which can be taken care of by anamolies commission.If there is no anamolies why the govt spending crors on such commissions for their upkeep.. Govt therefore implement 1st option without delay.
Kul Bhooshan Vatsyayan says
Please ask/request/ suggest to the govt to start fixing pension who opt for option-1 and let them find the feasibility. The person who opts for option -1 would be having all the inputs available with him to feed the data if found by dept unfeasible. First start the exercise/ process. there should not be any further delay. Just on hypothetical in-feasibility one should not be denied his due.
My. Please. Deomurari says
What is the progress on this issue of option one for the pre 2016 pensioners?